Public opinion is strongly divided on the recognition of Palestinian statehood, with many supporting the cause while expressing frustration over the conditionality imposed by nations like the US and Belgium. Users are advocating for an unconditional recognition, driven by humanitarian concerns and a sense of urgency for justice, while others criticize recognition as potentially rewarding extremism and undermining peace efforts.

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Contrary to what this article claims, recognition does not reward Fatah, it rewards Hamas. Because Hamas was the one which the deeds which led to recognition. Without the 7 October, the international community would not support Palestine so much. It would have been one thing if that recognition had happened ten years from now long after the end of the war, but here the recognition happened in the middle of the war clearly as a punishment against the way Israel is conducting the war. So obviously the Palestinians will see that the way of Hamas works in gaining the support of the West. Which strengthen Hamas and terrorism, not Fatah.

Volodio

I don't think I've read an article from Palestinian point of view that acknowledges past mistakes so openly.

As to the wave of statements about pending recognition of Palestine - this is the stick.

The carrot would soon be clear too - Hamas and all other armed non-state groups to be disarmed and KSA to recognize Israel, others to join sooner or later.

This will, over some time, stabilize the region which is what the rich Arab regimes want, the poor regimes want the money, and Trump wants a noble like Obama got.

Will we see peace in the middle east in our time?

It's actually closer than it's ever been, but maybe for this particular conflict, that's not saying much.

rnev64

Recognizing Palestine does not mean recognizing Hamas. And I think if this was made more clear it would help the process of recognizing Palestine, but this doesn't seem to be the case. Hamas needs to give up power for statehood, no sane country would allow a hostile government launching rockets into civilian areas on their borders.

CrunchyCds

The fact that all these nations are doing so basically in the premise that hamas has 0 say in the matter shows they are better than any western pro Palestinian group

Firecracker048

Seriously, please, please learn the Palestinian narrative before applauding any recognition of any Palestinian state.

PLO/Fatah/Hamas have ALWAYS rejected the notion of a Palestinian state as long as Israel stands, instead wanting the whole land of the State of Israel. They have never agreed to a two-state solution, and neither have they agreed to a split-state solution where the Gaza strip and the West Bank would form a so-called state.  
Any recognition of a Palestinian state does not apply to the Palestinian narrative.

Nobody is doing them any favors.

Minimum_Professor113

Hussein Ibish: “France, Britain, Canada, Australia, and Malta all say they are preparing to recognize a state of Palestine at the upcoming United Nations General Assembly in September. They would join another 147 UN countries that already do so. In some senses, the move is symbolic: It will not change the realities on the ground in the Middle East, at least not in the short term. But it is a major step nonetheless.”

“No Israeli-Palestinian ‘peace process’ is currently under way, the countries pledging recognition noted in their statements. This is because Israel refuses to speak with the diplomatic representative of the Palestinian people, the Palestine Liberation Organization. In effect, Israel has held the PLO and its subsidiaries—the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and the Fatah political party—responsible for the actions of all Palestinians, including the PLO’s extremist archrival, Hamas. (The United States, for its part, has never had a bilateral relationship with the Palestinians.)”

“The struggle for Palestinian statehood has been long and arduous. The PLO and PA, to be sure, have sometimes gotten in their own way. In the West Bank, the PA has overseen a corrupt system that leaves little space for civil society. And the PLO has squandered several potential opportunities to pursue statehood, especially an overture in 2008 by then–Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. But both groups have maintained a commitment to negotiation over violence, and have honored the 1993 recognition of Israel by Yasser Arafat, the PLO’s former leader. The Western nations’ formal acknowledgment of a Palestinian state under the leadership of the PLO will boost the idea that this kind of diplomacy, rather than the armed struggle of Hamas, is the path that can actually result in Palestinian independence and citizenship for the stateless millions in the occupied territories.”

“...The Israelis claim that recognition would reward Hamas and terrorism. But the opposite is true. Pretty much the only thing Hamas and Fatah agree on is that they are all Palestinians. Other than that, the disagreements are almost total: The PLO is a secular national movement that still seeks a negotiated peace with Israel through diplomacy, and to establish a small Palestinian state in the occupied territories. Hamas is an Islamist party and militia that wants a theocratic Muslim government in not just the occupied territories but also what is now Israel. In Palestinian politics, the binary is so stark that virtually anything that strengthens one group weakens the other.

“...The world must act as if a two-state solution is not merely necessary, but possible. International recognition of a Palestinian state is a key start. Without such a state alongside Israel, these two beleaguered peoples, the whole region, and the entire world will be sentenced to further decades, and possibly centuries, of bloodshed and oppression. Shrugging, walking away, and accepting this outcome cannot be an option.”

Read more: [https://theatln.tc/GlePlRBQ](https://theatln.tc/GlePlRBQ)

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johnniewelker

If an independent Palestine is established, Hamas will win any any election called.


Hamas have rekindled the age old dream of the Palestinians, to completely defeat and drive the Jews out of historic Palestine "from the River to the Sea"


It is not a struggle for independence, but a struggle for complete victory - a Palestinian victory. Hamas believes it can be done, and the wall to wall support it has gathered around the world will fuel this belief for a hundred years to come.

Randthrowaway975

&gt;No Israeli-Palestinian “peace process” is currently under way, the countries pledging recognition noted in their statements. This is because Israel refuses to speak with the diplomatic representative of the Palestinian people, the Palestine Liberation Organization. In effect, Israel has held the PLO and its subsidiaries—the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and the Fatah political party—responsible for the actions of all Palestinians, including the PLO’s extremist archrival, Hamas.... 


I'll start with some notes on subtle usage of language.


Notably, the author is back to using "PLO" as the name for this body. PA is a "subsidiary."


Irl..  the PA has been the PNA, Palestinian National Authority for many years. Nations that recognize Palestinian Statehood refer to it as the "Palestinian Government." 


PLO -&gt; PA -&gt; PNA -&gt; Government.  


If/when this author wanted to emphasize Palestinian sovereign rights... he'd use the term "government." Since he wants to de-emphasize Palestinian responsibility here... he goes all the way back to the 80s and frames them as PLO. 


This sort of "game" a big reason why the current state of affairs is what it is. For a peace agreement to mean anything, the parties agreeing need to be responsible. If the Paletinian Government cannot be responsible for the actions of other political parties (or factions within their own party)... then they can't negotiate either. 


The current international efforts are about recognizing a Palestinian state to punish Israel. They are not about promoting the existence of a Palestinian state. They gladly trade state capacity, institution building or any real state-building for rhetorical constructs. 

Golda_M

Nice now they need to let us have an army and an air force

AbuDagon

No it doesn't, neither does this pointless conflict

Beautiful_Island_944

Severe_Science9309

Western countries that previously opposed the recognition of Palestine did so out of the PLO's socialist sympathies, or out of a deference to Israel rooted in World War II. We are now moving into a new world order, with new considerations.

I understand the hesitance to recognize Palestine. But I don't believe there is such a thing as a terrorist state, even though there are states that commit acts of terrorism. It's not like people are now denying the existence of Afghanistan all of a sudden.

The Palestinians are the only self-governing people in the world that are not a full member of the UN. (There are no native-born Vaticani.) They should be afforded this much. Too bad about their shitty government.

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The issue isn’t recognition of Palestine, but the terms on which that happens. The Palestinians have themselves resisted calling for a true state because they have two or three claims which conflict with the existence of a recognized country, meaning Israel. One is they insist on total control of Jerusalem, while the other is their claim to own most of the land inside Israel (plus damages for use) under their claimed right of return. The Palestinian goal is to be recognized with those claims, not to be recognized as a state consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, with some rights to a shared Jerusalem as a dual seat of government.

I almost forgot: third would be Israel withdraws to the 1967 ceasefire green line without any conditions on the Palestinians. When a peace deal was closest in the late 90’s, Israel retained defensive corridors and there were agreements about weapons, etc. 

The Palestinian position is always that Israel cannot exist. They like to say Israel prevents them from exercising their right to self-determination without saying their claimed right means they own Israel and the Israelis have no rights.

jokumi

&gt;Czechia remains one of the few EU countries firmly opposed to recognizing Palestine unless both sides recognize each other. Foreign Minister Jan Lipavský (Spolu) says recognition now would reward Hamas and harm prospects for dialogue.


I haven’t looked at all of these but i imagine this is the opinion of all of these countries that don’t recognise it yet. 

Good.

Deep_Head4645

Does this mean they will stop funding UNWRA? /s

bb5e8307

I mean North Korea is recognized by a bunch of countries and well....it's North Korea 🤣.  I guess I'm meh about this whole thing and don't think much will change in the lives of the people in Gaza.  The only way for life to change in Gaza is to do this one simple trick of NOT DOING TERRORISTY THINGS.

inbetween-genders

Bastards. We are about to repeat history. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. Another era resembling that of **Arthur Neville Chamberlain**

Slske

They can recognize "Plasteline" twice a day, it won't change a thing in real life.

CougarChaserBC

Croatia will not recognize Palestine, our government said so and it stands with Israel. Recognition is in government jurisdiction. Unfortunately our President has weird viewpoints, he's also been overly fond of ruzzia, but the government, Prime Minister and majority of people stand with Israel. Am yisrael chai

BriefSea4804

NZ is still in the consideration stage

&gt; “Cabinet will take a formal decision in September over whether New Zealand should recognise a state of Palestine at this juncture – and if so, when and how.

Beautiful_Bag6707

Great. So many more countries to stop spending my tourist $$$$!!!

Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱

rich-nyc

evenforyou

"Recognize a Palestinian state", saying recognize "Palestine" is saying there is one. There is no country called Palestine.

Eta: this is not an accurate list. A number of these countries have spoken up already.

DefNotBradMarchand

For the record, Belgium has not yet decided to recognize a Palestinian state - conditional or not. It has been decided that they will decide before the UN GA. 

A major right wing government party is opposed to it while the leftist useful idiots in the government want it. It will be a spectacle.

Glassedowl87

The hardline proPalestinian activists in Australia seem furious and are saying this isn’t what they wanted.

assatumcaulfield

To a large degree, this move is more of a castigation of Israel than support of the Palestinians. It's not a coincidence that the ball started rolling mostly after that idiotic annexation vote.

eyl569

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layland_lyle

Can anyone clarify what exactly they are proposing/ planning to recognize as "Palestine" - the actual physical "on the ground" location? Borders? Do they even know themselves?

plsbquik

These countries forget that the civilians in this Palestinian State of Gaza  cheered the rapes, the tortures, the killings and the kidnappings of Israeli citizens.

https://preview.redd.it/3uzt09620gif1.jpeg?width=1125&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=1dbf2f9c7d38b73e5ec4bdd9db6469980a086501

mynameisnotsparta

You know who else doesn't want a Paletinian state? The Palestinian Authority and Hamas. They've been rejecting it since 2001, when it first offered to them by PM at the time, Ehud Barak. Sad.

BatZzZz

This is why we have to annex everything before The World(tm) recognizes Palestine out from under us. Facts on the ground beat words from far away.

Olivedoggy

When did Svalbard become independent of Norway and refuse to recognize Palestine?

Drinker_of_Chai

Costa Rica has recognized Palestine since 2008

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_recognition\_of\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine)

  
Edit: Not sure why the downvotes lol, it literally has recognized Palestine since 2008, and the map has it as red.

arcos00

why is puerto rico green? it should be red, it's owned by the US

yikesfecalmatter

map makes it look like palestine doesn't recognize itself

UnpluggedMonkey

Stripey Europe. I'm not a huge fan of all these maps, because some of the "pending" are stronger announcements of decisions already taken (e.g. France), whereas others are announcements that they intend to make a decision at some point (e.g. the UK). Likewise, the not at all category combines states that have rejected the notion along with states that haven't said anything yet officially because they haven't made a decision yet.

Still-Bridges

UK is the strangest of the bunch.

They are the ones who divided the land between Israel and Palestine. Yet they still don't recognise Palestine.

lone_Ghatak

The red and green are difficult to distinguish with colour blindness, try using a different colour scheme next time

johnbarnshack

Germany, Italy, Japan and Finland. hmmm where ive seen that combo before?

obssesedparanoid

Do you have a map of the borders that Palestine is recognized in by country that recognizes it?

That would be interesting.

yep975

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Looks like the map is AI generated with plenty of mistakes

nothyacarthohyan

PEHESAM

Hughman77

How did Britain end up not recognising Palestine, wasn't it literally invented by them and a British mandate?

kill___jester

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radiales

jennnfriend

To add onto the reasons why this ain’t the best map. This is a bad case to use mercratoes projection as it exaggerates the size of northern countries which largely recognise Palestine. This is an issue cause no world borders are shown. Making this a lot about showing how much of the world recognises palestine

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justxsal

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Dorigoon

Why is Australia rated as in the pending group?

alexfreemanart

Why doesn't Japan want to recognize Palestine?

Genuine question. Does recognizing Palestine entail recognizing HAMAS as the legitimate government? If not, what moral obligations does the west have to Israel?

Germany, Italy and Japan are still a unite front lol and with them is the USA, this time's biggest war crimes exporter

Acrobatic-Hippo-6419

How many of the "green" countries have a school curriculum, where the Holocaust and(!) Auschwitz are even as much as mentioned?

I think there may be a significant overlap between erasure by non-mention and the recognition of "Palestine" as a country, which nobody before the 1960s even seriously wanted.

And if there is an overlap, it is still an open question, if there is any causality involved: without excuse and without accusation, but if you are unaware of an injustice, you might be unable to feel any empathy or solidarity with its victims and survivors.

Reasonable_Shock_414

julien_091003

It will end up harming more then helping, they themselves arent ready for it, and in constant war among family tribes and militant groups, its crazy some think it would make a difference.

MrYitzhak

What is not there to recognize Palestine when Israel and Palestine were both made out of UN treaty and one is recognized. 
Since the world created them, they can come together to help and establish a working government there.

superboysid

Condition of Palestine in the 1967 borders? It's been a thing since 1967.

jeffinbville

What’s the reasoning for Moldova and Eritrea? It’s not like they’re US allies.

Creative-Antelope-23

I always wonder which palestine they are recognizing?

Egl3Rion

Defiant-Acadia7053

Japan and South Korea are effectively US vassal states, so no surprise they are toeing the line.

Professional-Pin5125

Reddit is one of the most anti-Palestine and pro-zionism platforms I've ever seen, and the comments and votes reflect that again.

Professional-Air2123

Geez. It’s pretty much the whole world at this point. 

And yet… you barely see the same level of coverage and outrage by the establishment powers -legacy media, politicians- as you do with the war in Ukraine.


Crazy. What’s going on in Ukraine is bad, don’t get me wrong. But what’s going on in Gaza is *worse*. In practically every possible sense. Turning notifications off bc I know how many zionazis infect this sub and what I said isn’t really up for debate. I don’t care about the whataboutism, the insults, the forum sliding, the sea lioning, the concern trolling or any of the other tired Zionist online hit and run tactics. 

Twenty_twenty4

And next week on the UN: the recognition of Froopyland 🙃

bellowstupp

SinisterDetection

What's the argument for recognizing Palestine? What's their government?

undreamedgore

So why bother to recognize something that no longer exists?

This is like saying "That old building down on the corner used to be the Post Office!"

SpecOps4538

If the US says no the western countries has no choice but to follow

ZaBADi_24

Only the holy roman empire still didn't recognize the lost of the holy land + the greek pretenders

Mohamed-Amine-Dhifi

Israel is planning on punishing Palestinians by annexing more parts of the West Bank in response.

This is probably going to end with Israel annexing the whole territory and expelling or killing the Palestinian population so that there is nothing to recognize anymore.

Sad to see but 10/7 made Israel a notably more aggressive state. Can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Still_There3603

It’s a way of doing something while at the same time doing nothing.  It’s perfect

TheNozzler

It's a fast and easy way for countries pretending to care about Palestine while continuing to trade and support Israel as usual. Basically a PR move

TheMasterOfSas

People can cope that the protests finally succeeded or that the politicians suddenly had a change of heart, but the reality is that they’re just trying to put pressure on Israel. Europe is terrified of another migrant crisis. They cant take millions of refugees from the Middle East. The last migrant crisis caused the rise of the far right.

Much_Guava_1396

Recognising Palestine as a state would change the legality of what Israel has been doing on and to the territories- this is why it hasn't been done by the key partner states like US and UK in the past.

Vexations83

Note that some of the countries have a list of provisions before doing so, like Hamas buggering off and having open and free elections, which isn't going to happen.

blue30

Recognising statehood is always dodgy, especially for countries with their own fractuous elements. 

But it's an important political tool. Israel fundamentally does not want Palestine recognised as a state, but their horrific actions with the famine are too severe to ignore.

Foreign recognition means the Palestinian Authority can open diplomatic relationships with those countries - embassies and treaties. Most importantly, it will trigger Britain, France, etc, to revisit their treaties with Israel.

If Britain recognises Palestine as a state, then they can now view Israel's actions as meeting a legal threshold of war crimes, and thereby exit various treaties they have with Israel. So, it can begin a withdraw of Western support.

For example, it would mean that Britain would no longer import agriculture from lands invaded and settled by Israel.

Dd_8630

To try to put pressure on Israel, while also doing nothing at all.

jaboi2110

"One day everyone will have always been against it"

mrtwister134

75% of UN countries have recognised it for years. It’s only Israel’s close allies who haven’t.

t4rgh

It's to shut people up. A symbolic action while Gaza materially starves.

MegaBaumTV

Most nations have already recognized it for years. The holdouts are doing so and floating the suggestion now as it's a symbolic 'step' that can be leveraged in negotiations to actually stop and fix the problems, as opposed to the comments here who think just screaming 'they are bad' for another year will suddenly start working.

It's particularly potent coming from the British, due to their history in the Balfour declaration (that was a key player in the establishment/recognition of israel) and their prior ownership of the region. Doing so would also let Hamas 'claim victory' and to some extent validify their actions / add legitimacy or popularity to their regime.

FlakTotem

147 of the world's 195 countries already do, although I wonder why they're even bothering now, now that the Palestinians are basically greenlighted for extinction.

I have no political dog in the Israeli-Palestinian fight, sincerely, but that is what's happening. They're being starved to death over there.

No_Salamander4095

Because they want to pretend like they care.
The World is in the crip of pure evil.

DrLeonardBonesMcCoy

Public opinion has rapidly turned againat Israel and this is a way to try and placate us

Sad-Age-7790

Erosion of soft power by the USA, countries are less afraid of doing the right thing since the US is already treating everyone like an ennemy

OttoVonGosu

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